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I was with you until your last comment in which yo...

2007-07-20T16:47:00.000-05:00

I was with you until your last comment in which your own snarky personality got the better of you and gave us leanings toward your own identity. That destroyed the rest of your message.

Who cares? You must 3:43 PM or you wouldn't have w...

2007-07-18T23:17:00.000-05:00

Who cares? You must 3:43 PM or you wouldn't have wasted your time writing a response. Next silly question?

Just answering the question 3:43. You seem to have...

2007-07-18T21:44:00.000-05:00

Just answering the question 3:43. You seem to have a problem with that. I wonder why you've taken it as such a personal affront. Hmm...???

Duh, 1:13, the egg is on your face. No one said Lu...

2007-07-18T16:20:00.000-05:00

Duh, 1:13, the egg is on your face. No one said Luchsinger was Michelle Monte's middle name. That was your own dumb assumption. It is her former last name. Check it out before writing and sounding like such a dope. DUH!!!!!

I think Observer on Oshkonversation is Mrs. Monte....

2007-07-18T15:03:00.000-05:00

I think Observer on Oshkonversation is Mrs. Monte. They both seem to twist things around to their/her own definitions, particularly if it looks like they/she aren't/isn't getting their/her way. Arguing with herself would be just the deviousness anonymouses here accuse Mrs. Monte of.

Thiel may have served but if she had the respect o...

2007-07-18T14:13:00.000-05:00

Thiel may have served but if she had the respect of the community, she would not have lost to a Monte.

BTW, if I recall the Northwestern stuff correctly, her middle name starts with an A, duh.

7:28, you apparently don't have anything better to...

2007-07-18T06:16:00.000-05:00

7:28, you apparently don't have anything better to do either. If you want to talk about a moral compass you should look at Michelle Lunchsinger Monte's track record. Not very pretty.

As far as the last election goes, last or just in front of last Monte wasn't elected either - neither one. Teresa Thiel can at least say she's served, has the respect of the district, and doesn't distort the truth. Whether you like the message or not, it never changes.

On the other hand, Monte changes her position by saying "that's not what I meant" and twists others words in making an argument. Is that a sign of someone who is just downright dishonest and will say anything at any cost to get herself elected or is it a sign of someone who doesn't have a clear enough position on the issues? Maybe it's a sign of someone who just can't stay focused.

Whatever it is I'm glad we don't have to deal with it and I doubt we ever will.

Concerned Citizen, Observer, and Thiel all sound a...

2007-07-17T20:31:00.000-05:00

Concerned Citizen, Observer, and Thiel all sound alike, does that mean they are? Probably.

You people are funny, or is it one person in parti...

2007-07-17T20:28:00.000-05:00

You people are funny, or is it one person in particular. WHo knows and who cares. All of these posts could be one person or dozens. What is clear is that Mrs. Thiel clearly has no ethics or moral compass. Her jusdgment is seriously impared to continue to allow this dialogue to continue. No wonder Mrs. Thiel came in dead last.

What is this fascination with someone who is not elected anyway? Can't find anything better to do on a summer's day? How sad.

I don't know if she's New Voice or not but they so...

2007-07-17T20:07:00.000-05:00

I don't know if she's New Voice or not but they sound exactly alike. What I also can tell you Michelle Monte is posting such outrageous stuff there under her own name. She's even twisting other people's words and they're calling her out on it. But the Montes have come to be known for twisting and distorting things to make their case. Most of us are smart enough to see through it and have chosen to ignore them.

I see Mrs. Monte (AKA New Voice) is over on the ON...

2007-07-17T17:13:00.000-05:00

I see Mrs. Monte (AKA New Voice) is over on the ONW forum attacking your logic again, Mrs. Thiel. What is it about this woman and her arrogance that make her think she has all the right answers? She has shown time after time she can't get along with others and her softened act was nothing more than that. God she is sickening.

BTW, you'd think that if she's going to refer to someone's hypocrisy she could at least get the spelling right. I know she'll probably say that in her haste to get things written she makes mistakes. Thankfully she was not elected to the school board. We don't need someone who can't be accurate just because they're in a hurry.

Haste makes waste and speed, especially in a school zone, gets you a ticket. Isn't that right Mrs. Michelle Luchsinger Monte?

The problems in our district are not the fault of ...

2007-07-16T13:52:00.000-05:00

The problems in our district are not the fault of "New Voice". Ask one of our recently departed administrators what they think of our administration. It may shock you what you will hear.

I see Mrs. Monte (AKA New Voice) is over on the ON...

2007-07-12T12:23:00.000-05:00

Pre-K and 4-K are sometimes used interchangably an...

2007-06-07T18:56:00.000-05:00

Pre-K and 4-K are sometimes used interchangably and I think the 4-K committee said they didn't want to call it 4-K but I can't remember if the term they were using was "early learner" or something else. I use the term 4-K to describe the Universal Access program the district is instituting for 4 year olds.

I think the Pre-K on the DPI website encompasses any child served who is not in K but I'm not sure about that.

The Pre-K the district has listed for years before this school year was either Early Childhood programs for 3 and 4 year olds with special needs and Pre-K ELL (English Language Learners).

This school year there were a couple 4-K classrooms at Webster as part of the Charter School and other 4-K classrooms with Head Start.

Ms. Theil, When looking at enrollment data from t...

2007-06-07T08:11:00.000-05:00

Ms. Theil,

When looking at enrollment data from the DPI website I see several schools in Oshkosh have a Pre-K program. What is the difference between Pre-K and 4K? Thanks.

Anon. 12:15 said: So when Dr. H. states both Oakw...

2007-06-06T18:17:00.000-05:00

Anon. 12:15 said: So when Dr. H. states both Oakwood and Traeger have no seats available he was including day care that was taking place in a given school?

I have no idea what the above means...

Dr. Heilmann was talking about K-5 seats at Oakwood and K-8 seats at Traeger... those schools are all full. He was not talking about 4K at all.

Day care is NOT taking place in Oshkosh Schools, 4K is taking place in SOME day cares in Oshkosh.

So when Dr. H. states both Oakwood and Traeger hav...

2007-06-06T13:15:00.000-05:00

So when Dr. H. states both Oakwood and Traeger have no seats available he was including day care that was taking place in a given school?

Anon. said "Where do we get the extra class rooms ...

2007-06-05T16:46:00.000-05:00

Anon. said "Where do we get the extra class rooms from? Aren't Oakwood and Traeger at the limit already?"

We don't need "extra" classrooms, many of the 4K classes will take place in Head Start and Day Care Centers, with the district either providing the Certified Teacher or the organizations providing their own Certified Teacher and partnering with the district re: curriculum etc.

Where do we get the extra class rooms from? Aren'...

2007-06-05T11:01:00.000-05:00

Where do we get the extra class rooms from? Aren't Oakwood and Traeger at the limit already?

Anon said "So who pays for the entire cost for the...

2007-06-05T10:06:00.000-05:00

Anon said "So who pays for the entire cost for the first two years? Oh, make that three. If I remember correctly, the workshop said three years before the state pays 100% of the per student revenue. "

The state pays 1/3 of the state aid for fte (full time equivalent -in Oshkosh's case, I believe it is .6 rather than .5 for 4K because the plan is community based rather than school based) the first year, 2/3 the second year and 3/3 or 100% the third year.

Thiel said: "as I stated before, after the initial...

2007-06-04T22:19:00.000-05:00

Thiel said: "as I stated before, after the initial 2 years (due to the way the state funds schools) the cost of 4K will be covered by the state aid the district will receive for each student."

So who pays for the entire cost for the first two years? Oh, make that three. If I remember correctly, the workshop said three years before the state pays 100% of the per student revenue.

When economists all over the country say quality p...

2007-06-04T20:59:00.000-05:00

When economists all over the country say quality preschool has a return on investment of 16 to one I wouldn't call that a "feel good" program I would call that spending dollars where they have the most impact.

4K was funded under Republican Administrations.

If you don't think schools are in trouble now, you certainly haven't been paying attention. Oshkosh is going to cut another $800,000 on top of the $1.5M already cut for next year.

Saying NO to everything that comes along and refusing to change anything that is currently happening doesn't make for good schools.

No, we do not shoot down every idea. But it does s...

2007-06-04T08:39:00.000-05:00

No, we do not shoot down every idea. But it does seem like you support every feel good idea that comes along. We can not afford all these programs. You say the costs are covered by the state. On paper it always seems like they are. The reality is there are always hidden cost down the road, or worse yet the state backs off on its promises. At some point Doyle will not be govenor and the raiding of the highway funds will stop and our schools will be in trouble.

Anonymous also said "Shame on you for denying a ch...

2007-06-04T08:26:00.000-05:00

Anonymous also said "Shame on you for denying a child who is in our system an education because it is envogue to divert resources to a child who could be served elsewhere in our community."

As had been pointed out numerous times, resources were NOT diverted from VIP or Teen Parent to provide 4K and if you watched the board meeting you would have heard the woman from Head Start say that the 4K program allowed a number of Head Start students the opportunity to be served who would OTHERWISE NOT have been served. I don't recall the exact number of students, but she did say there was a waiting list for children to be served by Head Start so your statement that these children could be served elsewhere in the community isn't really accurate is it? Or do you subscribe to the belief that if you can't afford to provide the experience to your child they just don't get that experience?

Anon said "You want proof about the programs alrea...

2007-06-04T08:10:00.000-05:00

Anon said "You want proof about the programs already cut by OASD, ask those kids who no longer attend school."

The fact is Oshkosh had students drop-out of school even when the programs you mentioned were in place. I did not support the elimination of the Teen Parent program but that program was NOT cut because of 4K as I stated before, after the initial 2 years (due to the way the state funds schools) the cost of 4K will be covered by the state aid the district will receive for each student.

There are numerous studies out there on the benefits of 4K a number of them by economists but I'm not going to waste my time researching and copying them because there are some out there who are not looking for information on the subject but who just want to shoot down every idea that comes along. I don't have time for that game.